SlackMF

Sudan orders Syrian WMDs out of country

LONDON [MENL] -- Sudan has ordered the removal of Syrian missiles and weapons of mass destruction out of the African country.

Arab diplomatic and Sudanese government sources said the regime of Sudanese President Omar Bashir has ordered that Syria remove its Scud C and Scud D medium-range ballistic missiles as well as components for chemical weapons stored in warehouses in Khartoum. The sources said the Sudanese demand was issued after the Defense Ministry and Interior Ministry confirmed a report published earlier this month that Syria has been secretly flying Scud-class missiles and WMD components to Khartoum.

The sources said the Bashir regime has been alarmed over the prospect that the United States would discover the Syrian arsenal and conclude that Damascus and Khartoum were cooperating in the area of missiles and WMD. They said this would have delayed or dashed U.S. plans to lift sanctions from Sudan.

A U.S. official confirmed the Syrian missile shipments to Sudan, saying they were meant for use against rebels in the south. But the official said the U.S. intelligence community has not determined that Syria sent WMD systems to Khartoum.

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Secret flights from Syria to Sudan involving WMDs? That sounds a little sneaky.

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Patrick

*gulp!*

Round up the coalition... time to invade Syria!

SlackMF

Wonder where those WMDs were before they were in Syria. Makes 'ya think, don't it?

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REMcrazy

yup we're waiting for Bush. we are so ready to get invaded.
huh

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Uh, I don't know, I don't know. Um, it's a hard grape to grow, as you know. Right? It's uh, it's thin-skinned, temperamental, ripens early. It's, you know, it's not a survivor like Cabernet, which can just grow anywhere and uh, thrive even when it's neglected. No, Pinot needs constant care and attention. You know? And in fact it can only grow in these really specific, little, tucked away corners of the world. And, and only the most patient and nurturing of growers can do it, really. Only somebody who really takes the time to understand Pinot's potential can then coax it into its fullest expression. Then, I mean, oh its flavors, they're just the most haunting and brilliant and thrilling and subtle and... ancient on the planet.

Patrick

We're coming... gonna bring ya'll some good ole fashion American democracy. Get the flower petals ready to throw at our feet in celebration!

p.s. Dick Cheney wants to know how much oil you guys have?

REMcrazy

well. not so much. Syria and Lebanon are down the list between the Arab states. But we do need democracy.
Don't forget to bring Rice and Donald with you. we just like those two

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Uh, I don't know, I don't know. Um, it's a hard grape to grow, as you know. Right? It's uh, it's thin-skinned, temperamental, ripens early. It's, you know, it's not a survivor like Cabernet, which can just grow anywhere and uh, thrive even when it's neglected. No, Pinot needs constant care and attention. You know? And in fact it can only grow in these really specific, little, tucked away corners of the world. And, and only the most patient and nurturing of growers can do it, really. Only somebody who really takes the time to understand Pinot's potential can then coax it into its fullest expression. Then, I mean, oh its flavors, they're just the most haunting and brilliant and thrilling and subtle and... ancient on the planet.

REMcrazy

good question Paul..
hmmm , let me think..
oh. maybe... oh , ya.. or.........could be ............................

Iraq ,you want the answer, right?

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Uh, I don't know, I don't know. Um, it's a hard grape to grow, as you know. Right? It's uh, it's thin-skinned, temperamental, ripens early. It's, you know, it's not a survivor like Cabernet, which can just grow anywhere and uh, thrive even when it's neglected. No, Pinot needs constant care and attention. You know? And in fact it can only grow in these really specific, little, tucked away corners of the world. And, and only the most patient and nurturing of growers can do it, really. Only somebody who really takes the time to understand Pinot's potential can then coax it into its fullest expression. Then, I mean, oh its flavors, they're just the most haunting and brilliant and thrilling and subtle and... ancient on the planet.

Trev

Shipped in extremely tiny pieces no doubt. How else would they be able to evade the eagle eyes of our surveillance satellites and spies?

REMcrazy

good thinking. maybe Saddam contacted Peter Scolari ( Honey, I shrunk the kids )
and he asked him to shrink the WMD for him. they are now not much than a computer chip and Saddam has it in his underware or he has it subcoutanous...

you devil Peter.

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Uh, I don't know, I don't know. Um, it's a hard grape to grow, as you know. Right? It's uh, it's thin-skinned, temperamental, ripens early. It's, you know, it's not a survivor like Cabernet, which can just grow anywhere and uh, thrive even when it's neglected. No, Pinot needs constant care and attention. You know? And in fact it can only grow in these really specific, little, tucked away corners of the world. And, and only the most patient and nurturing of growers can do it, really. Only somebody who really takes the time to understand Pinot's potential can then coax it into its fullest expression. Then, I mean, oh its flavors, they're just the most haunting and brilliant and thrilling and subtle and... ancient on the planet.

SlackMF

1. If the left was right and this war in Iraq truly was about the oil, we're doing a damn pitiful job of getting that stuff. Have you seen gas prices lately?

Once again, the left can't accept logic and common sense. It's simple, really...pure supply and demand...but I don't expect anyone on the left to come to that simple of a conclusion when hatred allows them to come up with a far-fetched explanation.



2. I see a lot of jokes, but no thoughtful answers. Any guesses where the WMDs came from? Seriously. Thoughts? Opinions? Were they Syria's WMDs all along that they just want to secretly fly out to Sudan? Is Sudan just lying about all this stuff? Is this another right-wing conspiracy?

C'mon...gimme something other than jokes to skirt the issue. You know...when someone avoids the issue, it usually means they don't want to accept what might be underneath it all.

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REMcrazy

well, seriously.
the regime of Bashir in Sudan has made his people suffer from day one he came into presidency. The country of Sudan is drownded in civil wars. since I was 12 or something, The school would every year asks us to donate some money so to help our fellow Arabs in Sudan. The Sudanese People is suffering while their president is too busy telling lies about Syria and its fake WMD.
and why should Syria hide their WMD ( if there were any ) in a country whose realtion is not that nice with. Syria is cautious in dealing with Sudan since the latter has a good but great relation ship with Israel.. end of the story
so I don't think it's a very wise decision to hide the WMD ( if ) in such a country..
there are many greater options..

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Uh, I don't know, I don't know. Um, it's a hard grape to grow, as you know. Right? It's uh, it's thin-skinned, temperamental, ripens early. It's, you know, it's not a survivor like Cabernet, which can just grow anywhere and uh, thrive even when it's neglected. No, Pinot needs constant care and attention. You know? And in fact it can only grow in these really specific, little, tucked away corners of the world. And, and only the most patient and nurturing of growers can do it, really. Only somebody who really takes the time to understand Pinot's potential can then coax it into its fullest expression. Then, I mean, oh its flavors, they're just the most haunting and brilliant and thrilling and subtle and... ancient on the planet.

Patrick

There isn't much to comment on yet, Paul. There is very few facts coming out on this yet and with the exception of hard-right US media sources and pro-Israel sources, no international media seems to be reporting this at all. (in the "Iraq's WMDs" stance). I'd say it's wishful thinking on your part at this point . .. but who knows.

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SlackMF

Hard-right US media sources? Pro-Israel sources? Can you explain to me how this story is something coming from either one of those two? I read some of the information on the news site this article was published in and I can find nothing that would unequivocally state that this publication is either one of the aforementioned sources.

Here's what the first paragraph says:

"Welcome to Middle East Newsline, a defense news service by independent journalists with a real understanding of the region. Our correspondents gather information from Ankara, Athens, Amman, Cairo, Jerusalem, London, Moscow, Nicosia, Ramallah and Washington on developments in the Middle East as well as on issues that affect the region. These issues include weapons sales and development, strategic business deals in defense and energy, and threat environment, such as terrorism and insurgency. Middle East Newsline is not just an assembly line of information. Its focus is strategic and the service concentrates on actual developments and trends rather than on passing rhetoric. The result is news of significance. News you can use."

Now, unless you're reading something into that that I'm not, I don't see exactly where it says this is either a news source that is hard-right or pro-Israel.

Just because no international media is reporting the story doesn't mean it isn't happening. International media is also skirting the Saddam Hussein/U.N. scandal...but we know what a mess that is.

I don't think a story like this would be made up...and if you do think it's made up, you probably need to lay off the conspiracy juice a little bit. Syria is secretly flying WMDs and scud missles to Sudan...and Sudan doesn't want their WMDs and scud missles. I'm just wondering where these WMDs came from. I don't know for sure...but I can think of a good reason why they might be in Syria. I'm simply asking for opinions on the subject. Did Syria have these things all along? If so, why are they being so secretive about it? Why are they getting rid of them? Where did they come from int he first place? I'm not asking you to admit to anything...just asking what you think about the subject.

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REMcrazy

well, I don't know wether Syria has WMD or not. but if it did ( not WMD but some secret weapons that are not obvious for the media ) I can understand why.
with the Israeli never ending nuclear force ( do they mention them in the international and especially The American Media? ) ,syria is threatened every moment by Israel.
That's to answer why? Now I'm sure if and if and if Syria has them , I guarantee that it will not use it against no body . The regime here is not crazy as the Iraqi one who eventually turned out that he got ain't weapons to use.. IRONIC..
so you can calm down here.
about the Sudani problem, I must admit that I first heard that news was from YOU. Never mentioned in any media here or some of the other States which really hate Syria. ie: Qatar for instance..
so yes, I think it's all made up.

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Uh, I don't know, I don't know. Um, it's a hard grape to grow, as you know. Right? It's uh, it's thin-skinned, temperamental, ripens early. It's, you know, it's not a survivor like Cabernet, which can just grow anywhere and uh, thrive even when it's neglected. No, Pinot needs constant care and attention. You know? And in fact it can only grow in these really specific, little, tucked away corners of the world. And, and only the most patient and nurturing of growers can do it, really. Only somebody who really takes the time to understand Pinot's potential can then coax it into its fullest expression. Then, I mean, oh its flavors, they're just the most haunting and brilliant and thrilling and subtle and... ancient on the planet.

SlackMF

On Monday, Jordanian officials said that they had stopped an Al Qaeda terrorist plot that they say could have killed up to 80,000 people.

In a televised confession, one of the conspirators said that he received training in Iraq before 9/11 (which further connects 9/11 and the operations currently going on in Iraq and the war against terror). In the Jordanian plot, five trucks were intercepted filled with a combined 20 tons of chemical weapons laced with explosives. Jordan's King Abdullah himself said that this truck convoy was intercepted 75 miles from the Syrian border...and where did this convoy originate?

Syria.

Once again, I wonder where Syria got 20 tons of chemical weapons? This brings up another question: since this was an Al Qaeda plot, how did they get their hands on 20 tons of chemical weapons...and where did those weapons come from?

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Patrick

report source?

SlackMF

ABC News "Nightline".

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Patrick

No mention of Syria (or Iraq) as source of chemicals. No description of what these 'chemicals' are (illegal or commercial).

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap...NATIONALad=true

Also interesting about Jordan 'televised' confessions:

"Airing suspects' confessions before their trial is unusual in Jordan. In 1998, six men accused of affiliation with a militant group confessed on television to planting a bomb that exploded outside an Amman hotel. Five years later, a court found them innocent."

SlackMF

I didn't say "Associated Press".

ABC News "Nightline", Patrick. I know you've watched the show before.

If you want some online reports of the story, visit the following:

The Australian

Government sources say the cocktail of chemicals planned to be used included acetones, nitric acid and sulphuric acid.

NewsMax

Jordan's King Abdullah revealed on Saturday that vehicles reportedly containing chemical weapons and poison gas that were part of a deadly al-Qaida bomb plot came from Syria.

MENL

Al Qaida sought to attack Jordanian government and military installations with chemical weapons in a campaign meant to kill thousands of people in the Hashemite kingdom."

BigNews Network

Officials in Jordan said Sunday an al-Qaida terrorist cell had plotted to attack a range of targets in the kingdom with chemical weapons and lethal gas.

There's others...but I don't have the time to go through each one and link it here. All of those can be (and were) found by typing in "King Abdullah chemical weapons" in Google.

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Ken Kelly

Government officials in Jordan say they thwarted an Al-Qaeda plan to set off a chemical bomb and attack the U.S. Embassy and other targets there. Had they been successful, officials say as many as 20,000 people would have died. The suspects, in a confession aired on Jordanian television, said their aim was to kill 80,000 people. They also said they were taking orders from Al-Qaeda. Maybe now the Arab world will confront their problem of Islamic terrorism ... but probably not. It's the United States' fault, you know.
The brutal fact of the matter is that it is basically up to the United States and Great Britain, with the help of Italy, Australia and a too-small cadre of allies, to fight and to destroy the threat of Islamic terrorism. Euro-weenie countries like France and Germany, with their large Arab populations, don't have the courage to play a role. Once again they're relying on the United States to keep them safe, all the while seeking cover from their Muslim inhabitants by criticizing our every move.
Every American, especially those who think our invasion of Iraq is wrong, should take a few minutes today to consider the implications of a chemical terrorist attack in America ... one like the attack planned in Jordan. What happens to our economy when 100,000 people are killed in Manhattan? Which presidential candidate is most feared by the Arab world? Important questions.
The fact of the matter is something like that could very easily happen here. That's why the war on terror is so important and why terrorists must be defeated. Senator John Kerry wants to end the war on terror and treat it like a law enforcement problem. Which would you rather have? A president willing to track these people down and kill them, or a president willing to track them down and serve them with a subpoena?
There's no way to protect against an attack like this...except to take pre-emptive action and eliminate the terrorist cells.

SlackMF

It is a scary thought, Ken...and I totally agree with you.

I don't know if there is any way to be 100% secure, but taking the fight to these thugs before they bring the fight to you is the best way to try and prevent something like this from happening in your own back yard.

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Patrick

Past my bedtime. Besides, if up that late, I'm usually watching Leno's monologue.

The link I cited is from Dateline's website for the story reported on Monday's show.

My point is, you are trying to infer that these "chemicals" may be part of Iraq's missing WMDs. I'm saying that such speculation is not possible yet as these chemicals have not been identified. They could be simple commerically available chlorine gas for all we know... and not "banned" chemical weapons. We don't know what the chemicals are, therefore we can't begin to speculate on their origin.

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Trev

Slightly off thread, but you couldn't be more wrong if you tried Ken. You're viewing terrorism as the disease, when in fact it's only the outward symptom of the illness.

SlackMF

How would you handle terrorism, Trev?

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